Have You Studied Raw Feeding? ?
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Oct 18th, 2009 |
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Why do people who know NOTHING about raw feeding answer raw feeding questions?
Do you know it is quite common to feed raw chicken and just about every other meat produced complete with bones?
Do you know there are many raw feeding models? Can you tell me the difference between them?
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No, haven’t really studied it at all. I hate getting into ANY food discussion on Y!A because people insist that what you are feeding is WRONG and will attack you to let you know!!!
I feed what works for my dogs. They eat some kibble, they eat some cooked meat, they eat some raw…with bones. Works for us!!!!!!
But I agree, people should NOT answer questions about things they know nothing about!!!!!!!! It is annoying no matter what topic it is!!!!!
**Chicken, WITH bones is the favorite here.
I agree, people are SOO ignorant about raw feeding, it’s annoying. Raw chicken, pork and all other meat is safe.
There are quite a few different types of raw.
1. BARF, bones and raw food. This one uses ground meat, ground bones, ground organs, and chopped up fruits and vegetables. Dog frequently eat this food too quickly because it’s ground, plus many people (myself included) don’t think dogs should be fed fruits and vegetables.
2. Prey model, this one uses whole animal chunks and RMB (raw meaty bones) you can feed chicken quarters, chicken backs, bones, and organs. You feed them whole, not ground, and no fruits/veggies.
3. Whole carcass, this type is similar to prey model, but better. This version is my favorite, but it can be expensive and is difficult to find the items. What you feed is WHOLE rabbits, quails, chicken, partridge, etc. When I say whole, I mean un-butchered. Fur/feathers, head, feet, organs bones, all the whole animal. For larger animals you feed the components that make up the animal. For example cow meat/bones/organs, in the percentage of 80% meat, 10% organs, and 10% bones, this is the approximate percentages of an animal, so it’s close enough. With whole prey, you just hand your dog a dead rabbit, un butchered, and they eat everything. http://www.prey4pets.com/servlet/StoreFr… and http://www.hare-today.com/ http://www.snrabbits.com/ all sell WHOLE rabbits and the first one also sells other whole animals.
I read that pork can contain a parasite that CAN infect dogs, though not common.
I know there’s raw feeding–commercial style–Natures Variety
And there’s prey model–utilizing fasting and feasting, feeding on the ground/grazing on their raw meets. Feeding lots of organs, and full carcasses like rabbit and chicken.
There’s BARF: Which I’m not totally savvy on, but I’ve looked a bit… It’s utilizing some grain and raw feeding, and some cooking too…
That’s about it… but I don’t feed raw at this moment.
I’m starting my dogs out on raw. It just makes sense to me – much more appetising for a dog than dried out hard pellets, I’m sure.
I don’t think I will ever stop my husband from making them a pancake with butter and sugar and splitting it between them when the family have pancakes for breakfast, but then I don’t see a need to as it doesn’t happen all that regualarly and the dogs love a treat now and then.
I’m still a newbie and learning and don’t really know much about the raw feeding models. I have been doing research and am using common sense.
I think it is ridiculous how people want to wrap their dogs in cotton wool. Don’t they know that a dog’s digestive system is pretty tough.
I don’t think I’ll ever be totally into 1 model over another. As I said I will use common sense. My dog’s will still get there left overs at times – lasagne the other night which seemed to go down well but will probably be frowned upon by the food nazis
I will never be a food nazi and will probably still give them the odd bit of dry food every so often for convenience sake as well as the left overs and treats. As long as they are a healthy weight and are healthy in themselves, what else really matters?
I studied the various methods of raw feeding after my Vet recommended it. It’s surprising how many different ways there are but the differences are usually how the meat is prepared if at all and whether you include vegetables and fruit. I looked at the Barf diet but decided that the vegetables weren’t really necessary. If they have to be pureed to break down the cells so the dog can digest them, it indicates that it’s not a natural food for a dog!
I think people who have never used raw foods read the pet food company sponsored sites who still spout the old myths! It doesn’t take much to realise that the companies are always going to try to put people off using a raw diet! Even those companies that have a range of ‘natural’ foods for pets will spout the myth of bones being dangerous if given whole! They then tell you that they use ground up bones to provide the calcium content etc! The companies want us to continue buying their products and always have! They aren’t going to admit that their products are bad for the animals or that they have to use extra vitamins and minerals because the little meat they use and the fillers of cereal and vegetables doesn’t contain the right amounts!
If people don’t want to feed raw or even consider it I don’t even understand why they read the question, much less answer it!
Perhaps they should realise that commercially prepared foods are relatively new as far as the history of dogs go!
yes i have and that’s why my dog has been on it for 3 weeks now. it’s disgusting what they put in dog food, even these “premium” kinds.
what do you think dogs would eat if they were on their own? sure as hell not carrots and cabbage…MEAT. and my dog has been so much better health wise, and her coat is 10x more beautiful than it already was.
Trich isn’t prevalent in today’s pork simply because the made it illegal to feed livestock pigs garbage.
1st – Yep. Bones are a good source of calcium and other vitamins and minerals.
2. Barf, Prey Model or Franken prey and premades. The first and the second include add ons like fruits and veggies. The second closely models what a wild canine would actually ear, muscle, bones and organs.
And they answer because everyone has been fed the myth about chicken bones when it only applies to COOKED chicken bones. All cooked bones are bad though, even bones that have been laying out for days and have dried out. Fresh RAW meaty bones and perfectly safe and apart of the diet.
Cassie – As far as needs go digestive speaking your dog or dogs or no different than a wolf, coyote etc. And most vets are against raw feeding to begin with. Also a HEALTHY dog is not going to be affected by anything like salmonella just like a healthy person wouldn’t. Dogs do not and never will have the same systems as humans. They were and still are made to digest raw food.
Every case of a dog coming in contact with and getting sick from Salmonella, e.coli and other food borne problems is kibble related. Why? Because kibble takes so long to move through the dogs’ system and a warm moist gut is the perfect breeding ground for a problem. If you are using the same food handling techniques as you would your own food and you should the odds are extremely low of a dog cat or ferret coming to harm.
ADD: Oh and the average lifespan of a wolf is 6-10 years in the wild. Wolves die young from starvation, predation from other animals and other wolves, being hit by cars and the number one cause – Man whether it be by gun or poison.
I have studied and feed raw.
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I chose raw prey model as opposed to BARF (or really any model that includes vegetables) because I have read the work of biologists who have documented the way wolves and other wild dogs eat their prey… usually dumping the contents of the stomach before eating it.
I wish I had better access to whole prey, but a lot of what I feed is free wild game I get from hunters. I take that and buy what I need to add to make the best “franken-prey” possible.
I’m careful with salmon…I just make sure it’s been frozen for a few months. I used to be a little leary of pork, but after research I know it’s not a problem.
My Anatomy and Physiology classmates were pretty impressed with my ability to dismember a small animal when we had to take our dissection cat’s leg off because a mold developed on it. I’ve had plenty of practice.
I couldn’t tell you why people try to chime in when they don’t know what they’re talking about…it’s always been something that puzzles me in many aspects of life.
I used to have a vet who gave me sh*t about raw feeding. (I guess they would rather have me feed my cat prescription food for the rest of his life, and pay for dental cleanings on my two dogs every year) We have a new vet – one who has been feeding her own dogs raw for many years now.
I hope you don’t get mad at me for cutting out most of the question but I’m just going to cut straight to the heart of it! The only raw diet I’m a fan of is the raw prey modeled diet. But, even that wasn’t good enough for me so I changed the ratio myself from 80/10/10 to 70/20/10 on the muscle meat, organ, and bone ratio. I’ve noticed from my experience with wild dogs and wolves (which mind you is limited), that the dominant pair eat at LEAST twice as much offal if not more, than the rest of the pack. That said, I don’t feed pork or raw fish, those are my only two limitations on feeding raw items. I have fed pork in the past, and I have fed raw fish a few times, I don’t believe there’s any problem with it but I’m not comfortable with it and in the end that’s what matters most. I also supplement with salmon oil for omega 3/6 which I think everybody feeding a raw diet or not should, and I supplement with a daily multivitamin given only once a week to pick up anything I left out out of human error. The multivitamin probably isn’t necessary, but it’s an old habit that as I said before, kept me in my comfort zone (if you do this make sure you don’t end up giving your dog too much iron via vitamins and too much liver if you decide to change the ratios as I have). The difference between the diet I just described and all other raw diets? I think it’s effectiveness, and I think it’s correctness to nature. The original BARF diet just plain flat out has too much bone content and as we now know and can prove, veggies just don’t have a place in our dog’s diets. (not saying they’re harmful…just useless)
I know what BARF is.
I looked in to raw feeding for a while. but then I talked to my aunt who also owned danes and is a vet and she advised me against it
dogs no longer have the same nutritional needs as wolves. they have been domesticated long enough.
and wolves (raw eaters) live on average 2-3 years.
there are plenty of diseases that can be caught by raw meat.
I’d prefer to be safe and feed canidae als which is also good for dogs
but I guess if you do it super safe-then go for it
Rayven-
well I guess I learned wrong
I tried raw feeding when they thought my dog had allergies. It was disgusting. Chicken bones are never good for a dog. There are several types of organic foods for your pet that maybe you should try. Anytime you use raw food you may have salmonella or some type of poisioning.