Comments on: Raw Feeders Please Help! Animal Artwork Especially.?

By: Curtis M

Curtis M — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:35:27 +0000

That person has a very boring and just…weird answer. We all know within 2 minutes of research that you must feed a particular balance of muscle meat, organ, and bone, so that person went on a tirade to state the obvious.
#2: Dogs nor wolves ingest the stomach contents of large prey, they spill the stomach and eat the stomach itself. Only the stomachs of small prey (no larger than a rabbit) are eaten because prey items of that size are eaten whole.
#3: Dogs are NOT omnivores, omnivores ALL have FLAT GRINDING surfaces in their mouths aka FLAT molars. Dogs have bladed carnassials making them 100% carnivores.
#4: In my years of study never have I ever seen the words “obligate carnivore”. There is no such animal.
#5: Raw meat DOES contain salmonella and other nasty germs….which is why every animal on the planet that eats raw meat has stomach acids, saliva, and immune systems geared towards killing such bacteria because: Dogs nor any other carnivorous animal have thumbs…they don’t make fires, they don’t cook their food. If they weren’t biologically equipped to ingest raw meat, they’d have died out eons ago. Also pet foods or as I like to call them: Over cooked crunchy cow nuggets, are also ripe with bacteria.
#6: If everything that guy/gal said. And everything Purina promotes is true. Why the h*** do I have 20 healthy champions in my kennels who’ve been raw fed for 11 or 12 years? Why aren’t my puppies who I weaned on RAW turkey burger and chicken liver dead? The only thing I supplement is Salmon Oil because farmed animals are low in the omegas and vitamin E.
#7: All dog food is bad for dogs because dogs like every other animal on the planet besides humans, are not evolved to eat cooked foods of any kind. You wouldn’t feed a Lion or Leopard at the zoo burnt lamb chops, why do you feed an equally carnivorous dog crunchy fried beef chunks aka kibble?

By: miaugh

miaugh — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:35:27 +0000

Feeding raw meat whether only muscle or organ meat without bone can be harmful- this is why bones need to be feed also in a raw diet. The raw bones provide calcium & phosphorus in the correct ratio. That whole first section is leaving out that raw feeders do and should feed raw bones too.
The salmonella part- how many bags of kibble have been recalled because they contained salmonella? Lots, and it was a health risk to people that handled it, not the dogs. You can find that information on the CDC website.
And the reason there is no scientific substantiation for raw diets, is that someone or some company has to fund the studies. If you look at any nutritional studies, they’re funded by Purina, Hills, etc etc. They aren’t going to provide funding if the outcome does not come out in their favor.

By: LOVE is a GSD account hacked

LOVE is a GSD *account hacked* — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:35:27 +0000

Let me guess? Tulip posted that?
Complete idiot, and I ignore EVERYTHING she rambles about.
Of COURSE meat is calcium deficient. Duh! But who in their right mind thinks that only hamburger is nutritionally balanced? REAL Raw feeders feed a Prey Model Raw Diet. It does just as the name implies, it models a prey animal that a wolf would eat in the wild. Hey, if it wasn’t nutritionally balanced and complete, could wolves really be some of the oldest predators on the planet? FYI, Dogs ARE wolves. Anatomically the same, and that includes the digestive system (Tulip will also tell you that dogs AREN’T like wolves because they don’t act the same. Why behavior has ANYTHING to do with anatomical structures is beyond me…)
Wolves are NOT omnivores. They do NOT eat vegetations. What little vegetation they would eat, they can not properly digest. Dogs lack the teeth, the enzymes, the digestive tract, or the bacteria to break down and digest Cellulose. It’s a simple matter of anatomy and chemistry.
NO real raw feeder feeds JUST meat. That’s stupid. Meat, Offal, and Bones. That is a balanced meal.

By: Om Nom nom!

Om Nom nom! — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:35:27 +0000

Blah. I read that all before.
That’s why you feed BONE as well or supplement for the calcium.
As long as you RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH you’ll do it fine. I waited a full year before I felt I knew enough to start a raw diet.

By: holpet

holpet — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:35:27 +0000

All of those things that you posted only address feeding a dog raw slices of meat with no bone and no stomach contents. People who feed Raw Meaty Bones feed edible bones like turkey and chicken necks for added calcium. They also sometimes feed whole carcasses that include herbivores’ stomach contents to provide vegetable matter for added vitamins and minerals. This is the same concept as green beef tripe.
All frozen and dehydrated raw diets that are AAFCO certified include either fruits, vegetables and botanicals, or vitamin and mineral supplements. I prefer diets like Primal, Nature’s Logic, Stella and Chewy’s, Nature’s Variety, and Bravo Balance that get all or most of their vitamins and minerals from vegetable and fruit matter. I feel (and the brands feel also) that vitamins and minerals from natural sources are more bioavailable.
Also, of course Purina wants you to be scared of feeding raw food. I have never been able to find (nor had a Primal representative that I talked to) a single case of a dog or cat contracting e. coli or salmonella from an AAFCO approved, commercial raw frozen diet. There is a zero tolerance for e. coli and salmonella in raw commercial diet because they are served raw. There is a higher tolerance for e. coli and salmonella in the meat we buy at the grocery store because it is meant to be cooked. So if you’re feeding your dog meat from the grocery store, they have a higher chance of contracting a food borne illness. Though it should be said that, because dogs’ and cats’ digestive tracts are completely different than ours, there is a relatively low chance of them getting a food borne illness.
It should also be said that even though Purina claims to have all of this scientific research, kibble has not been around for long. And until the late 70s or early 80s (I can’t remember exactly when) cat food was not required to have taurine (something we now know is absolutely essential to a cat’s diet). Cats on kibble were going blind and having heart problems and no one knew why.
People do better when they eat diets high in fresh food, and when they eat more fruits and vegetables. The same goes for cats and dogs who didn’t even evolve with fire like we did.

By: marci knows best

marci knows best — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:35:27 +0000

I would just mention that most Vets have had little or no training in animal nutrition.Why do you think so many of them sell Science Diet?
Figure if you are spending the hours necessary to understand dog nutrition and properly feed you dog a raw diet, you have more hours training than your Vet.

By: kdoulos

kdoulos — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:35:27 +0000

The person who posted the answer is correct. You need to feed your dog a balance of meats veggies, fruits, and other foods to make sure that they get all the nutrients their body needs.
I agree completely with whoever gave this answer 100% I feed my dogs an all natural diet, and you have to feed them things other than meat to ensure they get all the nutrients they need. However, They also get a combination of natural foods, dry Iams healthy naturals, and daily multivitamines for dogs. You can purchase cook books for your dogs that will give you recipies that contain all the different things necessary for a balanced meal.