Is It Ok To Feed My10week Old Doberman ***** Raw Meat Once A Day, The Vet Advises Not To But My Dog Loves It?
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I feed her a mix of lambs hearts, braising beef and lambs livers, once a day (evening meal), her coat is gleaming and her general health is excellant.. The vet has advised me not to due to the risk of salmonella and e.coli poisoning.. Not sure what to do.. Dogs used to be fed raw meat!!??
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Bacteria will not affect your dog! They have short guts (inside) and their stomach is full of very strong acid.
How did dogs survive before tinned or dried dog food? my Mum had dogs as a child and they never got sick. My riding instructor also was a trained Butcher and worked as one for over 30 years. She and her family have always had dogs, and her latest, a Dalmatian, is now 16 years old!
People get so used to opening a packet to feed their dogs, they forget where they came from. Google BARF – you will find so much information on feeding raw food.
Good luck with your dog and don’t worry about people’s opinions too much – if your dog is healthy, you must be doing something right
Raw is fine. Just don’t mix it with kibble during a meal.Raw and kibble digest at a different rate.It does look like you may be feeding too much offal(organ meat) though. These are very rich and may cause problesm down the road. I would cut the organ meats back to once or twice a week.
The vet has to tell you the risks of this, it is just like some vets now are telling clients and scaring some of them by telling them about how there have been ringworms that have migrated into the eyes of kids. This should be fine for you to do. Join some BARF groups and talk to them about it. When I went up to pick up my girl Yenta as a pup, the breeder and I were talking, she opened the fridge and threw a chicken wing down for Yenta, Yenta woofed it down fast. I do not feed BARF myself.
I feed my dogs a primarily raw food diet. They are VERY healthy.
I don’t know why we have vets…a complete waste of time aren’t they? Let’s ALL ignore the advice of a ridiculous vet that knows nothing about animals…..
(SARCASM)
………you ridiculous person, YOU supposedly care for your pet yet you ignore the advice of your vet?
Why did you spend money seeking their advice when you’re simply going to ignore it?
organ meats are rich.. they should only make up about 10% of her diet. I do believe hearts are considered muscle meat, as the heart is a muscle.. you may want to watch how much liver you give tho, its very rich. Very good for her, but you dont want to over do it.
Dogs digestive system is different than ours. They were designed to eat raw meat. Teir digestive juices are designed to break down the raw meat, and any bacteria that is typically found in raw meat. A dog’s digestive tract is also much shorter than ours. What may sit in our gut and rot for a few days, is digested in a dog within a few hours.
There are people who feed nothing but raw meat, no kibble! You may want to check out some of the raw feeding groups on yahoo. You will get alot of people here in answers who will agree with your vet, just because people are so freaked out about those diseases. I have yet to hear of a dog getting salmonella or E. Coli.. if any did it was probably a dog with a compromised immune system!
There is a higher risk of YOU contracting those diseases from handling the raw meat. Make sure you wash your hands well and clean all food preparation and feeding surfaces. A solution of bleach will do the trick.. 1 part bleach to 10 parts water. (mix up only what you need for the day to clean, as bleach breaks down within 24 hours)
Like anything else….Moderation! I feed raw steak when my girls are whelping and for a week after, then they stop wanting it. Kibble is not toxic to dogs, just digests differently. Watch the liver…oooh poooh! Causes the runs. Don’t feed meat that is tainted, has hung around a while or is warm(room temp) Vets are a conservative bunch, but e coli s a problem….lost a whole litter of pups to it bar one. was heartbroken. Lucky Doby!
Congrats on owning the best breed of dog ever, we had a doberman years ago and the advise we received was brilliant from our breeder, she told us to feed him cooked chicken with rice and also tripe, we also used to bye the science diet from our vets, because we got him from a pup he would also have weetabix in the morning and scrambled eggs, a spoonful of cod liver oil in his evening meal, once he got older we only fed him solid food because tined meat went through him, he was in tip top shape and the most beautiful animal, he died after defending our property, the most loyal of animals, My advice would be to cook everything, offal does sometime carry bacteria, good luck and enjoy your doberman.
This is a divided topic among vets. Most traditional vets do not approve but holistic vets do. I feed my Dobe a RAW diet w/ some kibble. He loves it and I take the precautions I can to minimize the risks of bacteria, I clean the dog bowl after EVERY Meal and make sure to sanitize all prep areas. But dogs GI tracts will acclimate to this RAW diet just as nature intended. I feed the Whole Food model, that is I switch proteins from Lamb, to chicken, to venison. That way ensuring my Dobe gets different proteins. Plus most vets are not given ample training in Med school about the Raw diet, but are marketed highly by Dog food companies. You take the pros and the risks, personally the benefits outweigh the risks: less stool to clean up, firmer stool, shiny coat, better dog breath, and my Dobe is eager for meal times !
A raw diet is excellent for dogs. However if you are going to feed raw it’s best not to mix it with kibble. Kibble is toxic to dogs and even the best kibbles are not natural. Do not listen to a vet about feeding. They are never taught nutrition.http://rawfed.com/myths/http://www.rawfeddogs.net/http://www.rawdogranch.com/ourdogs.htmhttp://www.rawlearning.com/http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfe…
It’s fine.
If the vet says it’s not good, the answer is NO
my pups were weaned onto raw minced steak!!! it contains iron so is good for growing pups and their hearts. my pups were CKC spaniels tho, I’m not sure on the feeding requirements of larger breeds so much. your vet is right that some meats contain dangerous bacteria. i only buy meet fit for human consumption. green tripe is good to feed dogs but it stinks, so i never use it. i would contact a doberman breeder and ask their advice on feeding her!!! x
Raw is fine but
too much organ meat can cause gas and loose stools
raw and kibble should never be mixed in the same meal they require different enzymes to digest and move through the digestive tract at different speeds.
Common sense should be used as to how you prepare and store any meat.
Yes you can feed raw meat. Dogs digestive systems are totally different from ours. They are shorter and food rushes through there so they are not succeptable to the bacteria like humans are. Vets will definately not support raw (unless it’s a holistic vet or a very liberal vet) because they are not taught much about nutrition in school and what they are taught is SPONSORED by the dog food companies. Of course they are going to push what they’ve heard to be the most wonderful kibble on the planet. Just because a company says it’s good doesnt mean you shouldnt research it to find out for yourself. I have been feeding raw to my 5 mutts for over a year now and they are completely healthy and happy. They have gleaming white teeth, gleaming coats, no body fat whatsoever, fantastic muscle tone, high energy, bright eyes, etc. I rescued one dog who had chronic ear infections. He was always on meds for this. Once I put him on raw the ear infections went away completely. My friends come over and comment that my house doesnt smell like dog and my dogs dont stink. That’s kinda funny because I live on a horse farm (these are farm dogs who are majorly spoiled and sleep with me) and the dogs run around outside all day. They have also not had a bath in about a year. They still feel great to the touch and do not smell!!! I think that’s a pretty good advertisement for the raw diet. In case you need more, here’s a story. My roomate adopted an english bulldog. She is 6 years old. She got here and did nothing but lay around and snore. We switched her to raw (no solid bones except marrow bones because of her flat face) and she has a lot of energy, she barks, she runs, she wags, her eyes are bright, and her nose (which was extremely dry when she got here) is nice and smooth now. She’s happier and healthier. Good luck with your Dobi, just please do your research before making a decision based on what your vet says.
Of course the Vet advised against it! The always do unless like mine they are extremely honest or have educated themselves like holistic Vets do!!
Do you know that Vets dont have to take nutrition as part of their courses and what lectures they do attend are given by Pet food manufacturers!
My dog and my two cats are fed on the Barf diet and I’d never go back to the rubbish my old vet allowed me to feed my cat for five years. It was a well known dry food and it gave him Kidney disease.
I changed to wet feeding then a friend introduced me to the Barf diet! I now have one very fit and healthy 15 yr old cat who hasn’t been on medication for 5 years!
I know lots of people who are now feeding this way including my current Vet (5 Flat-coated Retrievers with the sikiest Black coats I’ve ever seen and the eldest is a very fit 12 year old) They are all exceptional dogs for their breeds and several have surpassed the average life expectancy too!
The only thing that concerns me is the type of meat you are feeding, too much liver and heart can cause problems! I also feed chicken and turkey and my dog and cats love the wings and raw bone is fine for dogs. I usually give her a fresh meaty bone once a week and I get all my supplies from a good butcher! It’s actually costing less to feed my German Shepherd this way!
Look up the Barf web site for more ideas on what to feed and how to feed!
Do what’s right for your dog not what is right for your Vet!
THis has been danced on by previeous answers but I spell it out clearly. IF you choose to continue PLEASE get some books on raw feeding or do some internet research. You do need to make sure your meat diet is not too unbalanced nutritionally. My aunt almost killed a cat feeding it nothing but tuna fish therby unbalancing its diet….
I am surprised the vet has advised against this, it is the most natural food for a dog, don’t overdo the liver as it can have a laxative effect, my dogs all began with raw tripe beef etc, and have come to no harm whatsoever, are you buying human meat or pet meat? it might be an idea to stick to good quality human stuff for now, but if she is thriving on this food, why stop.?
you must follow your vets advice
No!!! Too many risks. Just get Winalot or something it has like tripe and lamb and stuff. Then put mixer with it (broken up biscuit stuff) and it makes a nice healthy balanced diet.
Puppies are resiliant – of course a ten week old pup, whom you’ve only owned for a couple of weeks, appears to be fine!
I feel sorry for it, though, if you would rather accept the random advice of online strangers (knowlegable as many of them are), than be guided by your own vet. I am the first to say vets are NOT nutritionists….but if your vet tells you NO, and backs it up with avice as to WHY they are saying NO, then either followthe advice, or find a vet whose principles you accept.
I love curry, but eating it once a day would soon mess me up.
you just have to be careful that the meat is below 40 degrees when given to her because if the food is 40 degrees or above, that’s when bacteria etc can grow in it.
it’s perfectly fine to feed her raw meat as long as it’s at the right temperature.
**EDIT** Have you people never heard of the BARF diet? LOTS of dogs eat this. You have to be educated in the types of raw food you feed your animals, but if you do it responsibly it’s a great diet. What’s up with the thumbs downs? that’s ridiculous just because you’re uneducated doesn’t mean everyone else has to be.
chicken necks, wings and backs are good…. handle it like you would human food..but yet this is a good food..if you are not familiar with raw diets you need to feed a regular food..just use the raw meet as a supplement..they love it!
This 10 week old doberman is going to grow up into a large 80 pound plus doberman. Who is not going to eat anything but raw meat. Can you afford that?
Best to start weaning her off this quickly.
Really you should follow the advice of your vet as she is only just weaned and her digestive system is not really ready for that sort of diet, therefore she cannot absorb enough nutrients from it. You should really keep her on puppy food for a while longer until your vet says its ok. Good luck with such a beautiful animal.
It’s ok for a treat but not everyday babe trust ur vet’s judgement.
give it normal food and save that amount to feed poor kids in your country or in any african nation.
not a good idea because the health of your dog is more important than it liking your food and raw meat can carry a lot of diseases, the vet knows what he is talking about
Even better is just grilling it quickly. That way you can help kill ecoli etc, and I’m sure your dog will still love it. That’s what I do with my dog.
defintaly dont, many viruses can live in raw meats, and it can be pretty expensive
The vets are true, don’t give them red meat. I give my dog cooked done meat but, not red. And, another thing for there coat, u can give them a rawl egg too!!!
You have to purchase a Doberman feeding guidelines book and then you get information that how much quantity of meal you can give your pet……………